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The first career-spanning book from Bay Area artist Tucker Nichols, Mostly Everything: The Art of Tucker Nichols attempts to capture, in one extravagant volume, decades of the artist’s varied work, from drawings with words, drawings without words, paintings, and sculpture, to large- and medium-scale public works, editorial illustrations, picture books, doodles, notes, charts, lists, and more.
Bound in a luxurious, hard-to-describe double-hardcover book, with two spines and two overlapping cover boards, and clocking in at over three hundred full-color pages, Mostly Everything: The Art of Tucker Nichols contains a lifetime of making that can’t quite be contained.
Today, we’re happy to share an interview with Tucker and McSweeney’s art director Sunra Thompson about the making of the book.
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Q: Mostly Everything doesn’t look like other art books. Did you have an image of the final result in your head when you started putting it together?
TUCKER NICHOLS: Not really. I wanted Sunra to lead whatever it was going to become, so I tried not to think too much about the final form. I’ve realized that the launch of any worthwhile project comes with a feeling of being naked and unsure. Without that, I’m probably playing things too safe and might not feel much satisfaction once it’s out in the world. This book mixes so much work from so many different modes in a way that I can’t hide from. I’m exposed, this is me. To be honest, I didn’t know how it was going to feel to look through it all.
SUNRA THOMPSON: We’re kinda beginning this Q and A at the end, but I’ll never forget bringing the finished book to your studio and watching you look through it for the first time. I think you actually had to sit down—I could tell it was a little overwhelming seeing so much of your work together like that, after not having looked at PDFs of it for a few months.
TN: But you managed to make it all feel like it came from the same world. It was a bit jarring to see it all together, but it feels like an accurate account of my output over time. It helps that there’s no sense of scale or dates, just spread after spread of images from all over.
ST: That became the goal of the book, I think: How do we show a reader all the different ways you work and have it all make sense together?

Q: So, how did you go about conceiving of the book with that goal in mind?
ST: It all really started with our first meeting about the project, at the McSweeney’s office. Tucker, our executive director, Amanda Uhle, and I met in the basement of our office, and Tucker started placing note cards on the conference table, one at a time. Each note card had a word or phrase written on it: “sculptures,” “notes,” “body parts,” “green,” “sad.” I think there were about two dozen note cards in all, spread out on the conference table. I still have a photo of them.

The note cards were intended to demonstrate a “problem” of any career-spanning book about Tucker’s work: How do we give readers a sense of all of it and have it all make sense together? And really, my solution was to not solve the problem, or to not solve it completely—to let that aspect of your work (the variety) become what the book was “about.” Basically, I think we tried to make a book that was attempting to categorize your work, but wasn’t quite succeeding.
Q: Once you had the basic concept, how did you pick the art for each category?
ST: I tried to look at as much of Tucker’s work as possible. He probably sent me thousands of images of his work. I also visited his studio in San Rafael many times, looking through piles of drawings and opening boxes of many more. At the beginning, I thought the book might be a thousand pages, with dozens of categories. For practical reasons, though, we decided to focus on just a few representative categories.



The hope for the categories was that most of the work they contained would feel like it belonged there—there would be pie chart drawings in the diagrams category, mountain paintings in the landscapes category. But then, every once in a while, there’d be something that didn’t seem to fit. The flora category, for example, has paintings of flowers, large-scale floral murals, and then a photo of multicolored ropes and wires “blooming” from a rusty tin can.
Actually, I’d say that, once we agreed on the concept for the book, 90 percent of our conversations were about this interplay within the categories. Making sure each category had a balance of work that clearly fit the categories and work that did not fit the categories.
Another thing we tried in each category was to weave Tucker’s word art throughout most of them. That was one way we attempted to tie all the work in the book together.
Q: The physical book is unconventional, with two spines and two covers, one of which folds out onto your lap while you look at the pages inside. Was that hard to explain to the printer?
ST: The idea for the form came directly from this concept we had for the book: that it would be trying (and failing) to categorize an artist’s work. If the concept for the book was that the person organizing the book’s contents wasn’t sure how to do that, maybe the person who constructed the book itself also wasn’t totally sure how to make a book.
At first, I thought maybe the book’s cover could open the correct way (to the left), but then the interior would open the wrong way (to the right), as though the book-maker had placed the interior inside the book the wrong way. So I asked our printer to make a dummy book like that, with an interior that was turned the wrong way. But when I got the dummy, I realized that you’d have to read the book backwards if the interior opened toward the right, which seemed awkward. After living with the dummy that the printer made—flipping through it and showing it to Tucker and carrying it around—the book just naturally started getting flipped upside down, so that the cover opened the wrong way (to the right) but the interior opened the correct way (to the left). That happy accident solved the problem.
TN: McSweeney’s has a reputation for challenging the book form. When Sunra brought the dummy book to my studio, I couldn’t help but like how it made the book confusing in just the right way. With both covers closed, it feels like a mysterious box. We don’t need our art books to be efficient—we just want to drop into an imagined world and look at the pictures.


Q: Most career-spanning art books have introductions and essays by famous writers and curators. This book doesn’t even have information about the titles or sizes of the artworks. Why isn’t there any written information in the book?
TN: From the start, we all agreed that few people read essays in art books. Many of the people who do are lying. We didn’t want to waste space in the book on something less compelling than the images. And I prefer seeing art without much information.
ST: There were moments when we wondered if we should have some basic information about the images. I think we even toyed around with a pretty exhaustive index at one point. But every time we started down that road, it just felt perfunctory.
Q: Is it true that every copy has a double-sided original painting in the shape of a bookmark, hand-painted by Tucker?
TN: Yes, at least for the first edition. We’ll see if I can pull it off in any reprints.


Q: Is it true that a limited number of these books will have customized covers, hand-drawn by Tucker?
ST: Yes! We printed a small quantity of the book without the photo on the front, so that Tucker could draw directly on the cover. He’s drawing all of these covers in his studio, by hand, and each cover will be unique. You can get one here, while they’re still available.


Q: So what is Mostly Everything about?
ST: I think this book is maybe about the difficulty of categorizing an artist’s—any artist’s—work? I think the book is also about art books themselves. Those are two grandiose-sounding claims! But it was something I thought about a lot while working on it: how art books (I guess all books, but art books too) create narratives about artists partly by leaving things out. Maybe because art books tend to have a thesis they’re trying to prove, they can sometimes feel prescriptive about how the work is presented. So it was fun to try and present all the different ways one artist makes things without trying to wrap a theory around it.
TN: Yes, to me, it’s a deep dive into one person’s obsessive art-making habits, relayed with a vague sense of organization that ultimately doesn’t help much. My favorite creative people simply can’t stop making whatever it is they make. It’s how we manage to exist in the face of so much global and personal tumult. So this is a book of my own prolific output, but I think it’s ultimately about how making things is a way of building an alternative world, a way of existing, I suppose. The ability to create might be my favorite human attribute. This morning, I made a drawing of a bowl overflowing with fruit-like orbs. It’s not special—maybe I’ll send it to a friend or toss it in the bin—but it wouldn’t exist if I hadn’t felt the urge to make something. What is that? Can it be useful? It is for me.
The art market doesn’t know what to do with prolific artists. Dealers need to create value for artwork that is inherently worthless, so they often create a fiction of scarcity by limiting how much work by a given artist the world sees. I understand the concept, but I think it’s stupid. I’ve even heard about artists at blue-chip galleries getting paid to not make work in a given year. That sounds like psychological torture to me, but I bet it’s nice to have a waiting list for your work. This book is a response to art books that try to tell us why something is important or valuable. Mostly Everything refuses to make a point beyond “here’s a wide group of things we think look good together.” Nobody but McSweeney’s would do something like that.








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